James Arthur Ray (born November 22, 1957) is an American self-help businessman, motivational speaker, author and convicted felon who was found guilty in 2011 of causing three deaths through negligent homicide .
67-563: A former telemarketer, Ray taught Stephen Covey motivational seminars while employed at AT&T and claimed he later worked two years for the Covey foundation; however the company has no record of him as an employee or contractor. In 2006 he appeared on CNN 's Larry King Live and was one of several narrators in the film The Secret . He also appeared on the Today Show and Oprah . In October 2009, three participants died while taking part in
134-512: A New Age retreat organized by James Arthur Ray , three people died and 21 more became ill while attending an overcrowded and improperly set up sweat lodge containing some 60 people and located near Sedona, Arizona . Ray was arrested by the Yavapai County Sheriff's Office in connection with the deaths on February 3, 2010, and bond was set at $ 5 million. In response to these deaths, Lakota spiritual leader Arvol Looking Horse issued
201-563: A "Spiritual Warrior" retreat led by Ray. Verde Valley Fire Chief Jerry Doerksen's department responded to an emergency call that a 42-year-old man had fallen unconscious after exercises inside a sweat lodge. On October 8, 2009, at a New Age "Spiritual Warrior" retreat conceived and hosted by Ray at the Angel Valley Retreat Center in Yavapai County near Sedona, Arizona , two participants, James Shore and Kirby Brown, died as
268-771: A Native ceremony, and offered prayers for the dead and injured. The leaders say the real sweat lodge ceremony is a part of their way of life and not a commodity, nor should it ever be a life-threatening event. It is Native American intellectual property , protected by US laws and the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples . The ceremony should only be conducted by sanctioned lodge members who are from legitimate nations and who have been thoroughly trained in both spiritual and physical safety protocols. Lakota spiritual leader Chief Arvol Looking Horse emphasized that what Ray inflicted on his new age customers
335-581: A different order of magnitude." The 8th habit essentially urges: "Find your voice and inspire others to find theirs." Covey released The Leader in Me: How Schools and Parents Around the World Are Inspiring Greatness, One Child at a Time in November 2008. It tells how "some schools, parents and business leaders are preparing the next generation to meet the great challenges and opportunities of
402-459: A fire, were placed near him, and over them was poured a decoction of the beaten roots of the wild parsnip. The door was closed so that no air could enter from the outside, and the patient sat in the sweltering steam until he was in a profuse perspiration and nearly choked by the pungent fumes of the decoction. In accordance with general Indian practice it may be that he plunged into the river before resuming his clothing; but in modern times this part of
469-400: A light on Ray's methods and actions that caused the deaths of Kirby Brown, Liz Neuman and James Shore in 2009. He traces the fallout from Ray's practices, and gives voice to former followers and the families of his victims. Stephen Covey Stephen Richards Covey (October 24, 1932 – July 16, 2012) was an American educator, author, businessman, and speaker. His most popular book
536-495: A note was left that said Ray was unavailable—as he was in "prayer and meditation". Ray later confirmed, during a 2013 interview with Piers Morgan, that he fled the scene rather than staying to assist with the aftermath, because "I was scared." Investigations were commenced by the Yavapai County Sheriff department. Initial investigations concerned construction of the "sweat lodge" structure which, according to investigators,
603-872: A practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He served a two-year mission in England for the Church. Beginning in July 1962, Covey served as the first president of the church's Irish Mission . Starting in 1973, Covey served for a time as a mission representative of the Quorum of the Twelve , where he oversaw training of missionaries in missions in the eastern United States. When Covey studied as an MBA student at HBS, he would, on occasion, preach to crowds on Boston Common . Covey authored several devotional works for Latter-day Saint readers, including: In April 2012, Covey
670-470: A recount of Ray's rise to fame in the self-help industry followed by his 2011 conviction for negligent homicide and his later release from prison. In the documentary, director Jenny Carchman explores the origins of the self-help industry, what attracts followers, and tries to answer why devotees are willing to take such risks. In the film, Carchman asks Ray directly how he could have caused these people's deaths, to which he replies: "It had to happen, because it
737-471: A religious rite of penance and purification . Traditions associated with sweating vary regionally and culturally. Ceremonies often include traditional prayers and songs. In some cultures drumming and offerings to the spirit world may be part of the ceremony, or a sweat lodge ceremony may be a part of another, longer ceremony such as a Sun Dance . Some common practices and key elements associated with sweat lodges include: Some participants will go nude as it
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#1732869547081804-437: A result of being in a nontraditional sweat lodge exercise for several hours, personally conducted by Ray. Eighteen others were hospitalized after suffering burns, dehydration, breathing problems, kidney failure, or elevated body temperature. Liz Neuman, another attendee, died on October 17 after being comatose for a week. The attendees, who had paid up to $ 10,000 to participate in the retreat, had fasted for 36 hours during what
871-639: A ritual, led by Ray, at one of his New Age retreats. Ray was arrested in 2010, and in 2011 convicted of three counts of negligent homicide. He served two years in Arizona state prison and was released under supervision on July 12, 2013. Following his release, Ray re-launched his self-help business. Ray's father was an Oklahoma preacher at the Red Fork Church of God in Tulsa . Ray has described his childhood as impoverished, claiming that, "The hardest part of my childhood
938-555: A sales manager and trainer. He started his own seminars and motivational speaker events in the early 1990s, launching his first company in 1992. Ray set up the now defunct James Ray International, Inc. in Las Vegas in 2000. Ray is an advocate of the pseudoscientific Law of Attraction ; his teachings have been described as "including a mix of spirituality, motivational speaking, and quantum physics ". In an interview, Ray answered about personal responsibility, "I fully know, for me, that there
1005-589: A seminar hosted by James Ray International, Inc. in which the attendees were directed to dress as homeless people. She jumped to her death at the Horton Plaza Mall in San Diego. She died as a result of injuries, and according to police, she had no identification on her person. In 2005, preceding the events of October 2009, a serious injury involving hospitalization was reported at the Angel Valley Ranch during
1072-506: A statement reading in part: Our First Nations People have to earn the right to pour the mini wic'oni (water of life) upon the inyan oyate (the stone people) in creating Inikag'a – by going on the vision quest for four years and four years Sundance. Then you are put through a ceremony to be painted – to recognize that you have now earned that right to take care of someone's life through purification. They should also be able to understand our sacred language, to be able to understand
1139-410: A sweat lodge ceremony. The site owner reported she learned after the event that participants went two days without water before entering the structure. Following the deaths, Ray refused to speak to authorities and immediately left Arizona. According to participants in the heat endurance exercise (which was misrepresented by both Ray and his organization as a " Native American sweat lodge ceremony"),
1206-400: A typical leader has 4 to 8 years of apprenticeship before being allowed to care for people in a lodge, and have been officially named as ceremonial leaders before the community. Participants are instructed to call out whenever they feel uncomfortable, and the ceremony is usually stopped to help them. The lodge was said to be unusually built from non-breathable materials. Charging for the ceremony
1273-407: Is The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People . His other books include First Things First , Principle-Centered Leadership , The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Families , The 8th Habit , and The Leader In Me: How Schools and Parents Around the World Are Inspiring Greatness, One Child at a Time . In 1996, Time magazine named him one of the 25 most influential people. He was a professor at
1340-600: Is considered the “traditional” way. Even people who are experienced with sweat rituals, or who attend a ceremony led by a properly trained and authorized traditional Native American ceremonial leader, could suddenly experience problems due to underlying health issues. It is recommended by Lakota spiritual leaders that people only attend lodges with authorized, traditional spiritual leaders. There have been reports of lodge-related deaths resulting from overexposure to heat, dehydration , smoke inhalation , or improper lodge construction leading to suffocation. If rocks are used, it
1407-459: Is important not to use river rocks, or other kinds of rocks with air pockets inside them. Rocks must be completely dry before heating. Rocks with air pockets or excessive moisture could crack and possibly explode in the fire or when hit by water. Previously used rocks may absorb humidity or moisture leading to cracks or shattering. The following is a list of reported deaths related to non-traditional " New Age " sweat rituals: In October 2009, during
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#17328695470811474-708: Is no blame. Every single thing is your responsibility ... and nothing is your fault. Because every single thing that comes to you is gift ... a lesson." Ray has advocated for the New Thought belief that positive thinking can heal physical ailments, and he has claimed to have used willpower to stay free of all illness. Writing for The Guardian , Andrew Gumbel described the pseudoscientific claims as " quantum flapdoodle ", "because it claims to be rooted in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and other tenets of modern physics". Concerns have been raised since 2000 regarding
1541-410: Is primarily for physical cleansing and warmth, but in others prayer and songs may be involved. Scandinavian , Baltic and Eastern European cultures incorporate sweat baths in their sauna traditions, which are held within a permanent, wooden hut. While modern-day saunas are wholly secular, there are older traditions of songs and rituals in the sauna, and the acknowledgment of a spirit-being who lives in
1608-666: Is traditional to some Indigenous peoples of the Americas , predominantly those from the Plains cultures, but with the rise of pan-Indianism , numerous nations that did not originally have the sweat lodge ceremony have learned the ceremony from other Nations. Sweat lodges have also been imitated by many non-natives in North America and internationally, resulting in responses from Indigenous Elders declaring that these imitations are dangerous and disrespectful misappropriations . The sweat bath
1675-574: The Jon M. Huntsman School of Business at Utah State University (USU) at the time of his death. Covey was born to Stephen Glenn Covey and Irene Louise Richards Covey in Salt Lake City , Utah, on October 24, 1932. Louise was the daughter of Stephen L Richards , an apostle and counselor in the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) to David O. McKay . Covey
1742-631: The Sioux Treaty of 1868 between the United States and the Lakota Nation, which states that: if bad men among the whites or other people subject to the authority of the United States shall commit any wrong upon the person or the property of the Indians, the United States will (...) proceed at once to cause the offender to be arrested and punished according to the laws of the United States, and also reimburse
1809-583: The University of Utah , an MBA from the Harvard Business School (HBS), and a Doctor of Religious Education from Brigham Young University (BYU). He was a member of Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity. He was awarded ten honorary doctorates . Covey was heavily influenced by Peter Drucker and Carl Rogers . Another key influence on his thinking was his study of American self-help books that he did for his doctoral dissertation. A further influence on Covey
1876-522: The appropriation and exploitation of sacred ceremonies". The Angel Valley owners announced they have accepted Native American friends' help to "heal the land". On November 12, 2009, news reported Oglala Lakotas filed a lawsuit, Oglala Lakota Delegation of the Black Hills Sioux Nation Treaty Council v. United States against the United States, Arizona, Ray and site owners, to have Ray and the site owners arrested and punished under
1943-513: The 21st Century. It shows how an elementary school in Raleigh, North Carolina , decided to try incorporating The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People and other basic leadership skills into the curriculum in unique and creative ways. Inspired by the success of Principal Muriel Summers and the teachers and staff of A.B. Combs Elementary School in Raleigh, other schools and parents around the world have adopted
2010-425: The Angel Valley Retreat Center fraudulently impersonated Indians and must be held responsible for causing the deaths of three people and injuries of nineteen others, and destroying evidence by dismantling the structure they constructed for this fatal, heat-endurance competition which they claimed was a sweat lodge ceremony. The lawsuit seeks to have the treaty enforced without seeking monetary compensation. The lawsuit
2077-1144: The Huntsman School of Business at USU, holding the Huntsman Presidential Chair. Covey developed his 2008 book The Leader in Me into several education-related projects. On April 20, 2010, he made his first post to an education blog entitled "Our Children and the Crisis in Education" which appears on the Huffington Post news and blog-aggregation website. FranklinCovey also established a Web site dedicated exclusively to The Leader in Me concept, and it holds periodic conferences and workshops to train elementary school administrators who want to integrate The Leader in Me process into their school's academic culture. Covey lived with his wife, Sandra Merrill Covey, and their family in Provo, Utah , home to BYU, where Covey taught prior to
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2144-456: The Lakota claim that James Arthur Ray and the Angel Valley Retreat Center fraudulently impersonated Indians and must be held responsible for causing the deaths and injuries, and for evidence destruction through dismantling of the sweat lodge. The lawsuit seeks to have the treaty enforced and does not seek monetary compensation. Preceding the lawsuit, Native American experts on sweat lodges criticized
2211-550: The Spencer suit. Ray was arrested in connection with the deaths on February 3, 2010, and bond was set at $ 5 million. Ray's attorney argued that he could not afford the $ 5 million, and Ray was released on February 26, 2010, after bail was reduced to $ 525,000. Three of the victims' lawsuits against Ray were settled before his criminal trial for a total of more than $ 3 million. The court case began on May 1, 2011. The prosecution rested its case on June 3, 2011, after 34 witnesses had taken
2278-560: The approach and have seen remarkable results". Covey was a professor at the Marriott School of Management at BYU for several years, helping to establish the Master of Organizational Behavior program, which has since been merged into the MBA program. While at BYU Covey served as an assistant to the university president. During the late part of his life, Covey returned to academia as a professor at
2345-558: The bike accident at the Eastern Idaho Regional Medical Center in Idaho Falls, Idaho , on July 16, 2012, at the age of 79. Sweat lodge A sweat lodge is a low profile hut, typically dome-shaped or oblong, and made with natural materials. The structure is the lodge , and the ceremony performed within the structure may be called by some cultures a purification ceremony or simply a sweat . Traditionally
2412-494: The consequences. Covey presents his teachings in a series of habits, manifesting as a progression from dependence via independence to interdependence . Covey's 2004 book The 8th Habit: From Effectiveness to Greatness was published by Free Press , an imprint of Simon & Schuster . It is the sequel to The 7 Habits . Covey posits that effectiveness does not suffice in what he calls "The Knowledge Worker Age". He says that "the challenges and complexity we face today are of
2479-490: The dead and they had said they "were having so much fun" out of their bodies that they did not want to return. On October 27, Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar asked the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to investigate the event to complement the local investigations. On October 30, a wrongful death lawsuit claiming negligence, negligent misrepresentation, fraud and other actions on
2546-586: The first non-fiction audio-book in U.S. publishing history to sell more than one million copies. Covey argues against what he calls "The Personality Ethic", something he sees as prevalent in many modern self-help books. He promotes what he labels "The Character Ethic": aligning one's values with so-called "universal and timeless" principles. Covey adamantly refuses to conflate principles and values; he sees principles as external natural laws , while values remain internal and subjective. Covey proclaims that values govern people's behavior, but principles ultimately determine
2613-427: The injured person for the loss sustained. The Oglala Lakota delegation believes that James Arthur Ray and the Angel Valley Retreat Center have "violated the peace between the United States and the Lakota Nation" and caused the "desecration of our Sacred Oinikiga ( onikare , sweat lodge) by causing the death of Liz Neuman, Kirby Brown and James Shore". The Oglala Lakota Delegation also claimed that James Arthur Ray and
2680-471: The interview. As of December 4, 2013, Piers Morgan's manager, John Ferriter, was James Arthur Ray's manager and media contact. Kirby Brown's parents have challenged motivational speakers and self-help gurus to sign a pledge of integrity, the "Seek Safely" promise. Ray has so far declined to do so. In 2016, Ray was the subject of the CNN Films' documentary Enlighten Us: The Rise and Fall of James Arthur Ray ,
2747-465: The laws of the United States, and also reimburse the injured person for the loss sustained.” The Lakota Nation holds that James Arthur Ray and the Angel Valley Retreat Center have “violated the peace between the United States and the Lakota Nation” and have caused the “desecration of our Sacred Oinikiga (purification ceremony) by causing the death of Liz Neuman, Kirby Brown and James Shore”. As well,
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2814-481: The level of the investigations into the deaths of James Shore and Kirby Brown to a ' homicide investigation'. Officials claimed the nontraditional "sweat lodge" structure lacked the necessary building permits. Print media began reporting that Ray conducted a conference call with some victims, one of whom recorded the call and provided it to the AP. During this call, a self-described channeler said that they had communicated with
2881-594: The messages from the Grandfathers, because they are ancient, they are our spirit ancestors. They walk and teach the values of our culture; in being humble, wise, caring and compassionate. What has happened in the news with the make shift sauna called the sweat lodge is not our ceremonial way of life! On November 2, 2009, the Lakota Nation filed a lawsuit against the United States, Arizona State, James Arthur Ray , and Angel Valley Retreat Center site owners, to have Ray and
2948-468: The operation is omitted and the patient is drenched with cold water instead. Native Americans in many regions have sweat lodge ceremonies. For example, Chumash peoples of the central coast of California build sweat lodges in coastal areas in association with habitation sites. The ancient Mesoamerican tribes of Mexico , such as the Aztec and Olmec , practiced a sweat bath ceremony known as temazcal as
3015-436: The part of Ray and the site owners was filed for the family of Liz Neuman. A similar action was filed for Sidney Spencer who was seriously injured. The suits sought compensatory and punitive damages alleging that defendants failed to provide adequate prior warnings, to monitor the participants' well being in the "sweat lodge", and to provide medical treatment. On November 10, Dennis Mehravar, an injured attendee from Canada, joined
3082-591: The publication of his best-selling book. Parents of nine children and grandparents of fifty-five, Stephen Covey received the Fatherhood Award from the National Fatherhood Initiative in 2003. Covey's grandson, Britain , played college football at his alma mater, University of Utah, and signed as an undrafted free agent to the Philadelphia Eagles following the 2022 NFL draft . Covey was
3149-466: The reported construction and conduct of the lodge as not meeting traditional ways ("bastardized", "mocked" and "desecrated"). Indian leaders expressed concerns and prayers for the dead and injured. The leaders said the ceremony is their way of life and not a religion . It is Native American property protected by U.S. law and United Nations declaration. The ceremony should only be in sanctioned lodge carriers' hands from legitimate nations. Traditionally,
3216-403: The safety and soundness of his methods. Former attendees of Ray's seminars have reported unsafe practices and lack of properly trained medical staff in 2005. A New Jersey woman shattered her hand after she was pressured by Ray to participate in a quasi-martial arts board-breaking exercise. After several unsuccessful untrained attempts, the woman sustained multiple fractures during the seminar that
3283-498: The sauna. "Vapour baths were in use among the Celtic tribes, and the sweat-house was in general use in Ireland down to the 18th, and even survived into the 19th century. It was of beehive shape and was covered with clay. It was especially resorted to as a cure for rheumatism." These permanent structures were built of stone, and square or corbelled "beehive" versions are often found, mostly in
3350-414: The site owners arrested and punished under the Sioux Treaty of 1868 between the United States and the Lakota Nation. That treaty states that “if bad men among the whites or other people subject to the authority of the United States shall commit any wrong upon the person or the property of the Indians, the United States will (...) proceed at once to cause the offender to be arrested and punished according to
3417-519: The stand and 43 days of testimony. On June 22, 2011, Ray was found guilty on three counts of negligent homicide, and not guilty of the manslaughter charges brought against him; the finding specifically stated that Ray was responsible for causing the deaths of the three participants, whether or not he was aware of the risks he had subjected them to. On November 18, 2011, Ray was sentenced to two years in prison. Native American and First Nations experts on sweat lodges have criticized Ray's construction of
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#17328695470813484-417: The structure is simple, constructed of saplings covered with blankets and sometimes animal skins. The induction of sweating is a spiritual ceremony – it is for prayer and healing, and it is only to be led by Indigenous Elders who know the language, songs, traditions, and safety protocols of their culture's inherited tradition. Otherwise, the ceremony can be dangerous if performed improperly. The ceremony
3551-447: The structure used for the fraudulent ceremony, as well as his ignorance and misrepresentation of actual sweat lodge ceremonies. As Indian Country Today reported, "Ray drew the ire of Indian country from the start because the ceremony which he was selling bore little if any resemblance to an actual sweat lodge ceremony." Native American leaders expressed shock, outrage and dismay that people had been killed in something misrepresented as
3618-444: The structure's unusual construction from non-breathable materials, charging for the ceremony (seen as extremely inappropriate), too many participants, and the excessive length of the fraudulent ceremony. The Native American community actively seeks to prevent abuses of its traditions. According to Taliman, "Native healers and spiritual leaders have been speaking out for decades about the abuse of sacred ceremonies, and continue to oppose
3685-501: The world include many forms of Ancient Roman baths , steambath , sauna , Slavic banya , Victorian Turkish bath and the culturally important Islamic variant, the hammam . Other varieties are used by Indigenous people around the Bering Strait , ancient Greeks , the Finns and Laplanders . Some European cultures have historically used sweating for cleansing. In most cases the usage
3752-415: Was claimed to be a vision quest exercise before the next day's purported sweat lodge. During this period of fasting, participants were left alone in the Arizona desert with a sleeping bag, although Ray had offered them Peruvian ponchos for an additional $ 250. After this experience, participants ate a large buffet breakfast before entering the nontraditional structure built for what they had been told would be
3819-477: Was constructed by a local (non-Native American) group under hire. Jack Judd, the county building safety manager, said that there was no record of a permit or an application for a permit to build the exceptionally large and nontraditional structure used for the "sweat lodge" event. On October 15, 2009, after extensive interviews with participants and ancillary witnesses, the Yavapai County sheriff's office upgraded
3886-530: Was eventually dismissed in October 2010, on the ground that the case was based on a good that was being offered, and the judge deciding that the sweat lodge was a service rather than a good. On July 12, 2013, Ray was granted a supervised release and left the state prison near Phoenix where he had served his sentence. On November 25, 2013, Ray re-launched his self-help business on CNN's Piers Morgan Live . He had stipulated that no other guests could participate in
3953-417: Was held at Walt Disney World . Participants of a James Ray "Spiritual Warrior" exercise in 2006, after signing waivers, were told to put the sharp point of an arrow used in archery against the soft part of their necks and lean against the tip. A man named Kurt sustained injuries during this exercise as the shaft snapped and the arrow point deeply penetrated his eyebrow. In July 2009, Colleen Conaway attended
4020-590: Was his affiliation with the LDS Church . According to Clayton Christensen , The Seven Habits was a secular distillation of Latter-day Saint values. Covey's book Spiritual Roots of Human Relations was published in 1970 by Deseret Book Company . Reading this book will identify how Covey's later works were a secular development of these earlier ideas. The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People , Covey's best-known book, has sold more than 20 million copies worldwide since its first publication in 1989. The audio version became
4087-510: Was in common use among almost all the tribes north of Mexico excepting the central and eastern Eskimo, and was considered the great cure-all in sickness and invigorant in health. Among many tribes it appears to have been regarded as a ceremonial observance ... The person wishing to make trial of the virtues of the sweat bath entered the â´sĭ , a small earth-covered log house only high enough to allow of sitting down. After divesting himself of his clothing, some large boulders, previously heated in
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#17328695470814154-412: Was not an authentic Native American ceremony, that Ray had no connection to any Native American community, and no training in how to lead an actual sweat lodge (permission to lead lodges is only granted to those who have been raised in the ceremonial ways of a particular Native American community, and after many years of apprenticeship with Elders); other dangerous actions taken by Ray, he continued, include
4221-419: Was reconciling how Dad poured his heart into his work, how he helped so many people and yet he couldn't afford to pay for haircuts for me and my brother," in his 2008 book Harmonic Wealth . A classmate of Ray's recalled that, "Ray always dressed well and knew he'd make something of himself." He dropped out of junior college in 1978 and eventually started working at AT&T, initially as a telemarketer, later as
4288-538: Was riding a bike in Rock Canyon Park in Provo, Utah, when he lost control and fell. He was wearing a helmet but according to his daughter, the helmet slipped and his head hit the pavement. She said Covey "went down a hill too fast and flipped forward on the bike. It was a pretty big goose egg on the top of his head." Covey also suffered cracked ribs and a partially collapsed lung. Covey died from complications resulting from
4355-695: Was said to be inappropriate. The number of participants was criticized as too high and the ceremony length was said to be too long. Respect to elders' oversight was said to be important for avoiding unfortunate events. The tragedy was characterized as "plain carelessness", with a disregard for the participants' safety and outright negligence. The Native American community actively seeks to prevent abuses of their traditions. Organizers have been discussing ways to formalize guidance and oversight to authentic or independent lodge leaders. There are examples of ritual sweating in other cultures, though often without any ceremonial or mystical significance. Secular uses around
4422-402: Was the grandson of Stephen Mack Covey who founded the original Little America Wyoming near Granger, Wyoming. He was athletic as a youth but suffered from a slipped capital femoral epiphysis in junior high school, requiring him to change his focus to academics and a member of the debate team and graduated from high school early. Covey earned a bachelor's degree in business administration from
4489-488: Was the only way I could experience and learn and grow through the things that I've done. [...] You come out of a situation like this and you're either bitter and angry, or you're more awake and grateful, and I choose awake and grateful, and I choose to see it as a test of character, and a test through fire, and I think I did OK." In 2020, investigative journalist Matt Stroud produced the true crime podcast Guru: The Dark Side of Enlightenment for Wondery . In it, Stroud shines
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