93-505: Full Collapse is the second studio album by American post-hardcore band Thursday . It was released on April 10, 2001, through Victory Records , to whom the band signed after leaving Eyeball Records . With the addition of guitarist Steve Pedulla, recording sessions for the album were held in November 2000 at Big Blue Meenie Recording Studios in Jersey City . Sal Villanueva , who served as
186-454: A major label , began reciprocating new-found interest from prominent labels. By early 2002, the decision to join Island was made as MCA began promoting Full Collapse as their own, and Thursday found itself in a legal battle with the label. Rickly would later note: "When we parted ways with Victory, we got our asses kicked. [...] Victory's lawyers were so strong." Between late June and mid-August,
279-505: A minor key , against power chords . Members of other bands and members of the production team contributed various instrumentation to the tracks: Farley with additional guitar on " Understanding in a Car Crash "; Joe Darone of the Rosenbergs with additional vocals on "Autobiography of a Nation"; Tom Schlatter of the Assistant with additional vocals on "Autobiography of a Nation" and "Cross Out
372-534: A "turning point record" and strongly favor it over most of the band's other work for both its passion and cohesive feel throughout. It has appeared on various best-of emo album lists, having been named in lists by Consequence of Sound , Drowned in Sound , Houston Press , Kerrang! , NME , and Rolling Stone , as well as by journalists Leslie Simon and Trevor Kelley in their book Everybody Hurts: An Essential Guide to Emo Culture (2007). Similarly, "Understanding in
465-538: A Car Crash" appeared on a best-of emo songs lists by Stereogum and Vulture . Alternative Press ranked "Understanding in a Car Crash" at number 10 on their list of the best 100 singles from the 2000s. The track has been covered by Wolves at the Gate for their Back to School (2013) EP. Track listing per booklet. Personnel per booklet. Thursday Additional musicians Production and design Citations Sources Post-hardcore Post-hardcore
558-456: A Car Crash" details the death by car crash of Rickly's girlfriend and best friend and his subsequent visit to the hospital. Rickly said the song was inspired by what they were listening to at the time, Joy Division , and put that "within the realm of hardcore". "Concealer" is a short up-tempo song that is followed by the Cure -esque "Autobiography of a Nation", which talks about genocide . "A Hole in
651-560: A Car Crash", "Autobiography of a Nation", "Paris in Flames", and "Standing on the Edge of Summer" would appear on the band's second EP Five Stories Falling (2002). Thursday would later use Victory's lawyers to leave Island in 2007 and reunite with Brummel to work on the live/video album Kill the House Lights (2007). It chronicles the band's career with a documentary and concert footage emphasizing
744-655: A Friend took significant influence from heavy metal bands like Pantera as well as hardcore bands like the Hope Conspiracy . Post-hardcore achieved mainstream success with the success of emo post-hardcore bands such as My Chemical Romance , Senses Fail , Alexisonfire , Taking Back Sunday , Brand New , Thrice , AFI , the Used , Silverstein , From First To Last , Thursday and Hawthorne Heights . Some bands also began to incorporate progressive elements; with bands such as Chiodos , Scary Kids Scaring Kids , Circa Survive ,
837-649: A band in this genre, but money would be best spent" on other albums. Full Collapse reached number 178 on the US Billboard 200 . It charted at number ten on the Billboard Heatseekers Albums chart and number nine on the Independent Albums chart. In the first week of release, Full Collapse sold 800 copies. As of October 2008, it sold 380,000 copies. In February 2009, Thursday announced that they would perform Full Collapse in its entirety for
930-528: A classic. The group also garnered recognition for their activism, cheaply priced shows and CDs, and their resistance to mainstream outlets. On the other hand, Jawbox had been influenced by "the tradition of Chicago's thriving early-'80s scene", while the Nation of Ulysses are "best remembered for lifting the motor-mouthed revolutionary rhetoric of the MC5 " with the incorporation of "elements of R&B (as filtered through
1023-508: A closer resemblance to the post-hardcore bands of the 1980s and 1990s. Hardcore punk typically features very fast tempos, loud volume, and heavy bass levels, as well as a "do-it-yourself" ethic . Music database AllMusic stated "These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of 'loud fast rules'. Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with
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#17328696251921116-543: A friend die[, ... and] even guilt over genocide". He noted that when the band's guitarwork becomes "slow and subdued, it's because the band is preparing to unleash a withering assault". AllMusic reviewer Kurt Morris wrote that while Thursday was "generating intelligent music", they do their "best to skirt the line of emo-pop without being unexciting or blasé". He said Rickly's vocals were "smooth yet not immature, strong while not being overbearing". Pitchfork contributor Eric Carr said that "after spending some quality time" with
1209-508: A gay friend of Rickly's had faced. "Standing on the Edge of Summer" talks about impending death and reuses a guitar effect heard in "Understanding in a Car Crash". "Wind-Up" begins with a slow verse section that gives way to a screaming chorus, complete with dueling vocals. "How Long Is the Night?" is about Rickly's partner in French class, who would lay on the train tracks behind their school, wishing that
1302-511: A more experimental turn in hardcore that paved the way for later Dischord releases. The band, which included MacKaye, Picciotto, and former Rites of Spring drummer Brendan Canty along with bassist Joe Lally , issued in 1989 13 Songs , a compilation of their earlier self-titled and Margin Walker EPs, which is now considered a landmark album. Similarly, the band's debut studio album, 1990's Repeater , has also been "generally" regarded as
1395-547: A one-off show on the Taste of Chaos tour. However, on the day of the show, the band cancelled. They eventually performed the album in October 2009, while in the midst of promoting their fifth studio album, Common Existence . To celebrate the tenth anniversary of Full Collapse , Thursday performed the album in its entirety throughout a US tour in 2011. In 2018, the band performed a run of two-night shows where they played Full Collapse on
1488-564: A show in their hometown. By the time the band signed with Victory, they were able to tour full-time. Drummer Tucker Rule said the reason they went with Victory was that the label had previously signed Earth Crisis and Refused . Bassist Tim Payne said Thursday was one of a few acts that strayed from the label's typical hardcore punk style. After signing, they were told by their friends that they would find themselves in "a situation that we would regret". The members of Thursday were unsure what their friends were referring to – they assumed that
1581-462: A time when many independent bands were eagerly reaching out for the major-label brass ring". The band's music, punctuated by the use of a drum machine , has also been seen as influential to industrial rock , while Blush has also described the Albini-fronted project as "an angst-ridden response to the rigid English post-punk of Gang of Four". After the issuing of the " Il Duce " single and between
1674-454: A whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp." AllMusic also claims that post-hardcore bands find creative ways to build and release tension rather than "airing their dirty laundry in short, sharp, frenetic bursts". Jeff Terich of Treblezine stated, "Instead of sticking to hardcore's rigid constraints, these artists expanded beyond power chords and gang vocals , incorporating more creative outlets for punk rock energy." British post-punk of
1767-514: Is "at the forefront of a traditional-screamo revival" for their critically acclaimed release Wildlife , while a 2014 article by Treble called Touché Amoré "the one band carrying the sound forward in the most interesting ways". By 2015, many of the original acts in the movement had either gone on hiatus or entered periods of inactivity. Later forms of post-hardcore have garnered more mainstream attention with bands such as Sleeping with Sirens , whose third album Feel (2013) debuted at No. 3 on
1860-420: Is a punk rock music genre that maintains the aggression and intensity of hardcore punk but emphasizes a greater degree of creative expression. Like the term " post-punk ", the term "post-hardcore" has been applied to a broad constellation of groups. Initially taking inspiration from post-punk and noise rock , post-hardcore began in the 1980s with bands like Hüsker Dü and Minutemen . The genre expanded in
1953-563: Is an American record producer . Villaneuva's first entrance into the New York hardcore scene came when playing in bands including Demonspeed and Murphy's Law . He's currently the bassplayer for Joe Coffee, the new band of ex- Sheer Terror Vocalist Paul Bearer. Villanueva started producing during the boot camp recording sessions of the New York's Hardest compilation series done at the Big Blue Meenie Recording Studios. In
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#17328696251922046-478: Is taken by people and has his skin removed, indicating that he is a new person, and sold to a rich woman. As a result of this, he is given marriage status, making him a valuable member of society. In February 2002, keyboardist Andrew Everding joined the band. He had been relaxing at Rickly's apartment and was invited to a practice session with the band. The same month, the band toured across the United Kingdom with
2139-555: Is the emergence of independent post-hardcore bands like the Men , Cloud Nothings and METZ , who are moved closer to the dynamics and aesthetics of earlier acts, whilst diverging deeper into external influences. Reviewers have also noted the incorporation of a diversity of elements like krautrock , post-rock , sludge metal , shoegaze , power pop and no wave in addition to previous hardcore , noise rock and post-punk sensibilities. Sal Villanueva Salvatore Villanueva
2232-465: The Full Collapse era. It also features demos and alternate versions of songs from that album. Full Collapse was met with generally favourable reviews from music critics . Chris Collum of AbsolutePunk wrote that "Thursday are something special, something that is almost unique, and this album–of their five–does the best job of getting that across." He said that the album's "biggest draw musically"
2325-617: The post-rock movement". AllMusic has noted that younger bands "flowered into post-hardcore after cutting their teeth in high school punk bands". In Washington D.C., new bands such as Hoover (as well as the related The Crownhate Ruin ), Circus Lupus , Bluetip , and Smart Went Crazy were added to the Dischord roster. Hoover has been cited by journalist Charles Spano as a band that had "a tremendous impact on post-hardcore music". In New York City, in addition to Quicksand, post-hardcore bands such as Helmet , Unsane , Chavez and Texas Is
2418-399: The " harDCore " scene, a new movement had "swept over". This movement was led by bands associated with the D.C. independent record label Dischord Records , home in the early 1980s to seminal hardcore bands such as Minor Threat, State of Alert , Void , and Government Issue . According to the Dischord website: "The violence and nihilism that had become identified with punk rock, largely by
2511-413: The "most immediate album of all time", listeners would be "rewarded as Thursday get the best out of themselves here and hardly put a foot wrong". He praised the musicianship as being "top notch throughout, while the vocals are pleasingly satisfactory". Ox-Fanzine reviewer Joachim Hiller found that Thursday had "two faces, which on the one hand comes across as super pop, [and] on the other hand relies on
2604-500: The '90s". According to Ryan Cooper of About.com and author Doyle Greene, 1980s hardcore punk band Black Flag is one of the pioneers of post-hardcore for the experimental style the band started playing later on in the 1980s. In 1984, Minneapolis punk band Hüsker Dü released their second studio album, Zen Arcade , considered a key post-hardcore record. Upon its release, the album received positive critical reception from The New York Times and Rolling Stone . Outside
2697-501: The 'Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde' principle when it comes to singing: sometimes gentle, sometimes screamy, then brutal". Stuart Green of Exclaim! wrote that the album "sounds sort of like a jam session showdown between Quicksand and Sense Field ". He adds that the band "take us on a wild 14-track ride that starts with the careening "Understanding In a Car Crash" and doesn't stop until some 40 minutes later." The staff at Manila Standard said hardcore fanatics would be "dissatisfied with
2790-568: The 1980s and 1990s with releases by bands from cities that had established hardcore scenes, such as Fugazi from Washington, D.C. as well as groups such as Big Black , Jawbox , Quicksand , and Shellac that stuck closer to post-hardcore's noise rock roots. Dischord Records became a major nexus of post-hardcore during this period. The genre also began to incorporate more dense, complex, and atmospheric instrumentals with bands like Slint and Unwound , and also experienced some crossover from indie rock with bands like The Dismemberment Plan . In
2883-469: The 1989 compilation State of the Union , a release that documented the new sound of the late 1980s D.C. punk scene. Fugazi gained "an extremely loyal and numerous global following", with reviewer Andy Kellman summarizing the band's influence with the statement: "To many, Fugazi meant as much to them as Bob Dylan did to their parents." It has also been noted that the group's "ever-evolving" sound would signal
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2976-493: The 1990s, helped post-hardcore achieve popularity during the 2000s. Mehan Jayasuriya of PopMatters suggested that Robinson's sudden focus on post-hardcore was his "pet project" designed to redeem himself of "the 'Nu-Metal' scourge of the late '90s". Robinson recorded At the Drive-In 's Relationship of Command (2000), Glassjaw 's Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Silence (2000) and Worship and Tribute (2002), and
3069-508: The Blood Brothers ' ...Burn, Piano Island, Burn (2003); four albums that are said to "stand as some of the best post-hardcore records produced" during the 2000s. In John Franck's review of Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Silence for Allmusic, he stated: "Featuring extraordinary ambidextrous drummer Sammy Siegler (of Gorilla Biscuits / CIV fame), Glassjaw has paired up with producer/entrepreneur Ross Robinson (a key catalyst in
3162-532: The Day until the end of the year. In December 2001, the music video for "Understanding in a Car Crash", which consists of live footage, began airing on MTVX , MTV2 , and MuchMusic . Following this, a music video directed by Darren Doane for "Cross Out the Eyes" was released. Doane interpreted the song to be about rebirth and marriage; the video is centered around a guy, who is jobless, single, and offers nothing to society. He
3255-427: The Dischord label, Quicksand became the first post-hardcore act to sign a major label record deal (with Polydor Records ) in 1992. Interscope Records would sign Helmet after a reportedly "ferocious" bidding war between several major record companies, and while MTV would air some videos by the group, which by the time of the release of their major-label debut Meantime , was considered then "the only band close to
3348-467: The Drive-In have acknowledged the influence of the post-hardcore sound coming from the San Diego scene, with vocalist Cedric Bixler-Zavala citing elements such as "screaming vocals with over-the-top emotions, calculated, heavy riffs, [...] offbeat rhythms" and an "incredible amount of energy, chaos and melody" put by these groups as crucial in the development of his band's sound. According to Ian MacKaye,
3441-517: The Eyes"; Villanueva with additional guitar on "Autobiography of a Nation" and "Wind-Up"; Giles with strings and melotone on "Paris in Flames"; and Frank Giokas of Unsound with additional guitar on "Standing on the Edge of Summer". The opening track, "A0001", sees Rickly pondering whether a robot is capable of dreaming, as guitar feedback gives way to two snare hits. He said people were "spending so much of our time in front of computers that it's feeling like we're becoming robots". "Understanding in
3534-616: The Fall of Troy and Dance Gavin Dance gaining significant success, and bands such as Damiera , the Sound of Animals Fighting , The Bled , Norma Jean and the Chariot being left under the wood works; as well as bands taking influence from metalcore like Ice Nine Kills , Blessthefall and Pierce the Veil , inspired by acts such as Killswitch Engage , Avenged Sevenfold and Atreyu . Beginning to form in
3627-777: The MC5) and avant jazz " combined with "exciting, volatile live gigs", and being the inspiration for "a new crop of bands both locally and abroad". The late 1980s and early 1990s saw the formation and rise to prominence of several bands associated with earlier acts that not only included the examples of Fugazi and Shellac, but also Girls Against Boys (originally a side-project of Brendan Canty and Eli Janney , which would later incorporate members of Soulside), The Jesus Lizard (formed by ex-members of Scratch Acid ), Quicksand (fronted by former Youth of Today and Gorilla Biscuits member Walter Schreifels ), Rollins Band (led by former Black Flag singer Henry Rollins ), Tar (which raised from
3720-496: The Movielife. In May 2002, as Thursday's signing to Island Def Jam had become imminent, the band released a statement through their website detailing their internal problems with Victory and reasons for leaving. The band said they had higher aspirations for the album art for Full Collapse , which were undone by Brummel's desire to keep costs down. During a visit to Victory's offices, they also discovered that for promotional purposes,
3813-550: The Movielife. The music video for "Understanding in a Car Crash" was successful at MTV2, where it stayed in rotation for eight weeks. In March and April 2002, the band went on tour with Sparta . They were denied clearance at the Canada–US border, and as a result, had to cancel a show. Shortly afterwards, the band appeared at the Skate and Surf festival. They had planned to support Face to Face on their headlining US tour, but were replaced by
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3906-573: The Reason emerged. Chicago, which alongside the Midwestern United States has been important to the progression of math rock, also saw the birth of post-hardcore acts such as the examples of Shellac, Tar, Trenchmouth , and the Jade Tree -released group Cap'n Jazz (as well as the subsequent related project Joan of Arc , which also released their work through Jade Tree). Steve Huey argues that
3999-517: The Seattle grunge sound" on the American East Coast and would be hailed as "the next big thing", these expectations would "never be fully realized" in spite of the record's later influence. In another notable case, Hum was signed to RCA in 1994, selling approximately 250,000 copies of their album You'd Prefer an Astronaut fueled by the success of the album's lead single " Stars ", and while
4092-504: The Trail of Dead in Austin , and At the Drive-In from El Paso . This last band was known for their energy in both performances and music, and for their "driving melodic punk riffs, meshed together with quieter interlocking note-picking". Kansas City, Missouri bands of the early 90s also contributed significantly to the genre including Season to Risk . The genre also saw representation outside
4185-557: The US Billboard 200 chart, making it one of the highest charting post-hardcore album by any band to date. Pierce the Veil 's third album, Collide with the Sky (2012), has also received much attention. While Madness (2015) and Misadventures (2016)—by Sleeping with Sirens and Pierce the Veil respectively—incorporate more elements of pop rock and pop punk, entering territory that many find to be loosely defined as post-hardcore. Seen also
4278-607: The United States in Refused who emerged from the Umeå , Sweden music scene. The band, which made itself known earlier in their career for its "massive hardcore sound", released in 1998 The Shape of Punk to Come , an album that saw the group take inspiration from the Nation of Ulysses while incorporating elements such as " ambient textures , jazz breakdowns", metal and electronica to their hardcore sound. The early-to-mid 1990s would see
4371-459: The United States, post-hardcore would take shape in the works of the Canadian group Nomeansno , related with Jello Biafra and his independently run label Alternative Tentacles , and that had been active since 1979. The magazine Dusted noted that the group's 1989's release Wrong was "one of the most aggressive and powerful opuses in post-hardcore ever made". During the years 1984 and 1985 in
4464-493: The World" features a guitar riff in the vein of Jawbreaker and ends with a piano part. "Cross Out the Eyes" is the heaviest song on the album, featuring screaming from Schlatter. Rickly said he wrote it about wanting to "obliterat[e] the whole authorial me-me-me-this-is-about-me [stance]"; it was one of the first song he wrote on guitar. "Paris in Flames" discusses transgender and LGBT activism , as well as mentioning prejudices that
4557-446: The a train would run them over. The album ends with "i1100", which consists of distorted sound effects. Thursday announced Full Collapse on February 5, 2001, for release two months later. The band created hype for the album by touring the United States for two months with bands Midtown , Grey AM, and Every Time I Die . On March 19, 2001, "Cross Out the Eyes" was posted as a free download through Victory Records' website. Full Collapse
4650-428: The album in its entirety on tours in 2011 and 2018. Full Collapse peaked at number 178 on the US Billboard 200 . It also appeared on two Billboard component charts: number ten on Heatseekers Albums , and number nine on the Independent Albums . The album received favorable reviews from music critics , many of whom praised the album's musicianship. It is referred to as a classic emo album and praised as one of
4743-418: The album, he referred to it "as simply 'shit'. [...] Thursday does a few things right, but all in all, this could have been a much better album." Todd Burns of Stylus Magazine wrote that sections of tracks "exhibit obvious skill and technical proficiency, but are quickly ruined by Rickly's vocals or other elements that intrude on the small moments of interest". He says it was overall "a solid second effort for
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#17328696251924836-682: The ashes of a hardcore outfit named Blatant Dissent), and Slint (containing members of Squirrel Bait). Acts such as Shellac and Louisville 's Slint have been considered influential to the development of the genre of math rock , with the former featuring "awkward time signatures and trademark aggression" that has come to characterize "a certain slant" on math rock, while the latter presented "instrumental music seeped in dramatic tension but set to rigid systems of solid-structured guitar patterns and percussive repetition". According to reviewer Jason Arkeny, Slint's "deft, extremist manipulations of volume, tempo, and structure cast them as clear progenitors of
4929-520: The band "strayed from hardcore's typically external concerns of the time – namely, social and political dissent – their musical attack was no less blistering, and in fact a good deal more challenging and nuanced than the average three-chord speed-blur", a sound that, according to Huey, mapped out "a new direction for hardcore that built on the innovations" brought by Hüsker Dü 's Zen Arcade . Other bands have been perceived as taking inspiration from genres such as funk (as in
5022-420: The band had established by this point a strong underground fanbase, this would prove to be "the pinnacle of Hum's media attention", as its follow-up, 1998's Downward Is Heavenward would sell poorly, resulting in the decision of RCA to drop the band from their roster. Record producer Ross Robinson , who was credited for popularizing nu metal with bands like Korn , Slipknot , Soulfly and Limp Bizkit in
5115-421: The band had multiple people filling in on guitar. Guitarist Steve Pedulla, whose brother was friends with members of Thursday, joined the band in 2000 after filling in for a show. Eyeball was aware that Thursday was outgrowing what support they could provide, and asked other labels to sign the band. Waiting received enough attention to be noticed by Victory Records , who flew out representatives to watch them play
5208-575: The band toured with BoySetsFire, Samiam , and the Movielife . Following this, they toured across the US with Waterdown and Drowningman until August. After three shows with Warped Tour , the band toured with Rival Schools . In October, the band toured the west coast for a week with Murder City Devils and American Steel , before touring the east coast with Piebald , the Lawrence Arms , and Recover in November. Thursday toured with Hey Mercedes and Saves
5301-531: The band went on the 2002 Warped Tour. Following this, the band appeared at the Bizarre, Pukkelpop , Reading and Leeds Festivals . Though the band were not planning on doing another tour, they appeared at three shows on the Plea for Peace tour. Keeley said the band had heard about the tour from the previous year, and felt it was an appropriate way to end the touring cycle for Full Collapse . Live versions of "Understanding in
5394-512: The band's unstable existence. This group has also been considered one of the earliest emo acts. The second half of the 1980s saw the formation of several bands in D.C., which included Shudder to Think , Jawbox , the Nation of Ulysses , and Fugazi , as well as Baltimore 's Lungfish . MacKaye described this period as the busiest that the Dischord Records label had ever seen. Most of these acts, along with earlier ones, would contribute to
5487-425: The best emo albums of all time, by publications such as Kerrang! , NME , and Rolling Stone . It has influenced bands such as As Cities Burn , My Chemical Romance , and Senses Fail . Thursday released their debut album, Waiting , in November 1999 through Eyeball Records . With the band touring more often, all of the members dropped out of Rutgers University . As they lacked a permanent second guitarist,
5580-603: The birth of emo, with Rites of Spring sometimes being named as the first or one of the earliest emo acts, musicians such as the band's former frontman Guy Picciotto and MacKaye himself have voiced their opposition against the term. In the nearby state of Maryland , similar bands that are categorized now as post-hardcore would also emerge, these include Moss Icon and The Hated. The former's music contained, according to Steve Huey, "shifting dynamics, chiming guitar arpeggios, and screaming, crying vocal climaxes", which would prove to be influential to later musicians in spite of
5673-508: The birth of several bands in the San Diego, California music scene, some of which would lead a post-hardcore movement associated with the independent label Gravity Records . This movement would eventually become known as the "San Diego sound". Gravity was founded in 1991 by Matt Anderson, member of the band Heroin , as a means to release the music of his band and of other related San Diego groups, which also included Antioch Arrow and Clikatat Ikatowi. The label's earlier releases are known for
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#17328696251925766-416: The case of Beefeater) and 1960s pop (such as the example of Gray Matter). According to Eric Grubbs, a nickname was developed for the new sound, with some considering it "post-harDCore". Another name used for the scene was " emo -core". The latter, mentioned in skateboarding magazine Thrasher , would come up in discussions around the D.C. area. While some of these bands have been considered contributors to
5859-532: The creation of acts such as Karp , Lync and Unwound , all hailing from the Olympia, Washington area. The latter's music has been considered by critic John Bush to be a combination of "the noise of Sonic Youth's more raucous passages" with a "rare energetic flair which rivals even that of Fugazi". Texas saw the formation of groups such as The Jesus Lizard (later to be based in Chicago) and ...And You Will Know Us by
5952-530: The definition of "a new sound in hardcore rooted in tradition but boasting a chaotic sound that showcased a new approach" to the genre. Heroin were known for being innovators of early 1990s hardcore and for making dynamic landscapes "out of one minute blasts of noisy vitriol". These bands were influenced by acts like Fugazi and The Nation of Ulysses, while also helping propagate an offshoot of hardcore that "grafted spastic intensity to willfully experimental dissonance and dynamics". This movement has been associated to
6045-485: The development and recording of the 1994 release For Your Own Special Sweetheart , considered by Andy Kellman to be "one of the best releases to come out of the fertile D.C. scene of the '80s and '90s". The subsequent tour for the album and the MTV rotation of some videos would introduce the band to a handful of new crowds, but ultimately the album would remain "unnoticed outside of the usual indie community". Likewise, out of
6138-419: The development of the subgenre of screamo , while it also should be noticed that this term has been, as with the case of emo, the subject of controversy. The label also featured releases by non-San Diego bands that included Mohinder (from Cupertino, California ), Angel Hair and its subsequent related project The VSS (from Boulder, Colorado ), groups that have also been associated with this sound. The VSS
6231-547: The early 2000s it became common for mainstream "melodic" post-hardcore bands to crossover into other related genres like Melodic hardcore , Heavy hardcore , indie rock , screamo, and emo, straddling experimentation and accessibility. Groups such as Minutemen , Naked Raygun , and The Effigies , which were active around the early 1980s, are considered to be forerunners to the post-hardcore genre. Naked Raygun's Jeff Pezzati and Effigies frontman John Kezdy have disputed this classification, however, insisting that neither band
6324-520: The early- and mid-2000s, post-hardcore achieved mainstream success with the popularity of bands like At the Drive-In , My Chemical Romance , Dance Gavin Dance , AFI , Underoath , Hawthorne Heights , Silverstein , the Used , Saosin , Alexisonfire , and Senses Fail . In the 2010s, bands like Sleeping with Sirens and Pierce the Veil achieved mainstream success under the post-hardcore label. Meanwhile, bands like Title Fight and La Dispute experienced underground popularity playing music that bore
6417-477: The end of the year, the band released music videos for " Understanding in a Car Crash " and "Cross Out the Eyes". In early 2002, keyboardist Andrew Everding joined the band. They went on tour with the Movielife and Sparta and appeared on the Warped Tour soon afterwards. Around this time, the band made it known that they had several issues with Victory Records and its founder, Tony Brummel. Thursday has performed
6510-645: The fall of 1999, Thursday 's lead vocalist, Geoff Rickly , approached Villanueva to produce the band's Eyeball debut Waiting . Since then he has produced almost all of the band's recordings, including War All the Time for Island / Def Jam . Following the success of Thursday's Full Collapse , Victory Records approached Villanueva to work with and develop Long Island emo band, Taking Back Sunday . The band's debut album, Tell All Your Friends , sold over 900,000 copies and became Victory's fastest and biggest selling record to date. Taking Back Sunday's Notes from
6603-507: The first night and their third studio album, War All the Time (2003), on the other, in entirety. In a 2010 interview, Rickly described the album's significance to both the band and its fans: According to Drowned in Sound , Full Collapse was "instantly hailed [as] an emo classic" upon release. It has influenced acts such as As Cities Burn , My Chemical Romance , Senses Fail , and This Day Forward (specifically their 2003 release In Response ). Rickly would describe Full Collapse as
6696-750: The genre or had strong roots in it. Many of these groups also took inspiration from the 1980s noise rock scene pioneered by Sonic Youth . Some bands signed to the independent label Homestead Records , including Squirrel Bait (as well as David Grubbs -related bands Bastro and Bitch Magnet ) and Steve Albini 's Big Black (just as his subsequent projects Rapeman and Shellac ) are also associated with post-hardcore. Big Black, which also featured former Naked Raygun guitarist Santiago Durango , made themselves known for their strict DIY ethic , related to practices such as paying for their own recordings, booking their own shows, handling their own management and publicity, and remaining "stubbornly independent at
6789-482: The label made Thursday-branded whoopee cushions , which were intended to be distributed to fans at the Warped Tour. They were produced without Thursday's consent and so were discontinued. The band continually emphasized the need to communicate regarding art direction and promotion, but were allegedly ignored by Brummel and told that Victory was too big to run everything past its artists. Rickly recalled that upon signing,
6882-588: The label told them that they wanted Thursday to be their own pop iteration of Saves the Day. In a meeting with Brummel, he claimed that Thursday was not living up to his expectations, with the band's statement explaining: "Instead of Tony's relationship with us being based on a love for music, it was based entirely on numbers." However, by late 2001, Brummel began showing more concern for the band and called more frequently regarding sales. They soon learned that Brummel planned to sell part of Victory to MCA and, as Thursday's contract only allowed them to leave Victory for
6975-488: The late 1970s and early 1980s has been seen as influential on the musical development of post-hardcore bands. As the genre progressed, some of these groups also experimented with a wide array of influences, including soul , dub , funk , jazz , and dance-punk . It has also been noted that since some post-hardcore bands included members that were rooted in the beginnings of hardcore punk, some of them were able to expand their sound as they became more skilled musicians. During
7068-462: The late 2000s, the fourth wave of emo came into full fruition in the early 2010s. Moment defining bands like Modern Baseball , the Hotelier and Joyce Manor all gained significant success in the underground, a new takes on post-hardcore became prominent with the sonic experimentation of Drug Church , Title Fight , The World Is a Beautiful Place & I Am No Longer Afraid to Die and Citizen . At
7161-474: The latter featuring former Minor Threat singer and Dischord co-founder Ian MacKaye and former members of The Faith. This movement has been since widely known as the "Revolution Summer". Rites of Spring has been described as the band that "more than led the change", challenging the "macho posturing that had become so prevalent within the punk scene at that point", and "more importantly", defying "musical and stylistic rule". Journalist Steve Huey writes that while
7254-685: The media, had begun to take hold in DC and many of the older punks suddenly found themselves repelled and discouraged by their hometown scene", leading to "a time of redefinition". When The Faith put out the EP Subject to Change in 1983, it marked a critical evolution in the sound of D.C. hardcore and punk music in general. During these years, a new wave of bands started to form, these included Rites of Spring (which featured The Faith former guitarist Eddie Janney), Lunchmeat (later to become Soulside ), Gray Matter , Mission Impossible , Dag Nasty and Embrace ,
7347-508: The mingling of genres but Thursday handles the juggling act well". Wondering Sound contributor Jonah Bayer said Rickly's "strikingly literary musings were packed with so much imagery and iconography that teens all over the country instantly latched onto these post-hardcore anthems". Rolling Stone 's Gavin Edwards found the band to be "peel[ing] the scab off endless varieties of pain" with their lyrics, tackling "heartbreak[, ...] watching
7440-548: The moment in which the "hardcore" sound of bands like Unbroken effectively became "post-hardcore", known for "covering Joy Division songs" and for its sonic "jazz-quoting" and "guitar feedback" experimentation features. They were also one of the first bands released under the independent label Three One G , founded by the band's vocalist Justin Pearson and later known for releasing the works of several other post-hardcore, noise rock, mathcore and grindcore groups. Bands like At
7533-406: The producer, the production team and members of different bands contributed additional instrumentation to the recordings. Full Collapse is considered a post-hardcore and screamo album. Preceded by a two-month United States tour, the album's release was promoted with a short series of shows. The band toured the US in 2001, with BoySetsFire , Waterdown , Rival Schools , and Saves the Day . At
7626-436: The recordings, before the album was mastered by Timo G. Less at Surgical Sound. Full Collapse has been mainly described as a post-hardcore release, while also being labelled as post-punk , emo pop , hardcore punk , screamo and punk rock . Throughout the album, Rickly's singing switches between crooning to screaming . Full Collapse lacks some of the typical traits of emo in favor of Johnny Marr -like picking in
7719-433: The reinvention of the aggro rock sound) to take you on a pummeling ride that would make Bad Brains and Quicksand proud." These bands allowed the genre to grow and become much more varied with At the Drive-In taking influence from art rock and rock and roll , and Glassjaw using elements of both pop music and heavy metal ; furthermore, bands such as Hell Is for Heroes , Hundred Reasons , Hondo Maclean and Funeral for
7812-488: The release of Cap'n Jazz's retrospective compilation album Analphabetapolothology helped spread the band's influence "far beyond their original audience", while also considering the group as influential for the development of emo in the independent music scene. Champaign , also in Illinois , was known for an independent scene that would give way to groups like Hum , Braid and Poster Children . The American Northwest saw
7905-444: The release of their only two full-length studio albums, Big Black left Homestead for Touch and Go Records , which would later reissue not only their entire discography, but would also be responsible for the release of the complete works of Scratch Acid , an act from Austin, Texas described as post-hardcore, that, according to Stephen Thomas Erlewine, "laid the groundwork for much of the distorted, grinding alternative punk rockers of
7998-405: The releases on Dischord, incorporating elements such as "odd time signatures played an important role on its development in spite of the band's music not resembling the sound such term would later signify. In a similar manner, Swing Kids , composed of former members of hardcore bands from the San Diego scene such as Unbroken , Struggle and Spanakorzo, have been described by journalist Zach Baron as
8091-538: The same time "the Wave", or "new wave of post-hardcore", was a movement of bands reviving 1990s emo, screamo and post-hardcore sounds. The name was originally coined to refer to only Touché Amoré , La Dispute , Defeater , Pianos Become the Teeth and Make Do and Mend , however by 2014 had expanded to also include groups Balance and Composure, Into It. Over It. and Title Fight . In 2011 Alternative Press noted that La Dispute
8184-687: The signing would work out fine. They wrote the new songs in a collaborative manner. In comparison, most of the songs on Waiting were written by a single person. The majority of the songs that ended up on Full Collapse were written in the basement of frontman Geoff Rickly 's parents' house. They began recording the new album after a US tour. Sessions were held at Big Blue Meenie Recording Studios in Jersey City, New Jersey , with producer Sal Villanueva of metal band Demonspeed. The sessions in November 2000 lasted for 20 days. Tim Giles and Erin Farley acted as engineers , with assistance from Codie Brown. Giles mixed
8277-450: The sudden interest in underground and independent music brought by the success of Nirvana 's Nevermind attracted the attention of major labels towards the Dischord imprint and many of its bands. While the label rejected these offers, two Dischord acts, Jawbox and Shudder to Think, would sign deals with major labels. The former's signing to Atlantic Records would alienate some of the band's long-term fanbase, but it would also help with
8370-553: Was drawing from hardcore, and were instead influenced by British punk and post-punk acts like Buzzcocks , Sex Pistols , and the Stranglers . Los Angeles' Saccharine Trust mixed Minutemen's sound with that of post-punk acts the Fall and Gang of Four on early releases like their EP Paganicons , helping to further the burgeoning genre. During the early- to mid-1980s, the desire to experiment with hardcore's basic template expanded to many musicians that had been associated with
8463-453: Was known for their use of synthesizers "vying with post-hardcore's rabid atonality". Outside the Gravity roster, another band that played an important role in the development of the "San Diego sound" was Drive Like Jehu . This group, founded by former members of Pitchfork , was known, according to Steve Huey, for their lengthy and multisectioned compositions based on the innovations brought by
8556-554: Was released on April 10, 2001 through Victory. The design of the physical was debated: the band hoped to create a booklet of artwork for Full Collapse but were discouraged by Victory founder Tony Brummel who insisted on a less expensive one-page insert without printed lyrics. A compromise was reached, which resulted in the final chosen packaging. The album's release was promoted with a series of shows with Midtown and River City High . In June 2001, Thursday embarked on an east coast US tour with Skycamefalling and Fairweather . In July,
8649-448: Was the way it moves between the "harsh and abrasive to the ambient and soothing in a matter of mere seconds". Punknews.org founder Aubin Paul said the album "delivers on the promise" of their debut "and then some". He added that there was "some serious intensity here, great powerful riffs, and a singer who can actually sing, and scream." Sputnikmusic staff member DaveyBoy said that while it wasn't
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